[pct-l] Oregon Sec B update

Fri May 29 15:27:29 CDT 2009

There is a volcanic cone right on Hwy 395 that is cut into by the 
grading for the highway.  You can see the red central portion of the 
cone and it darkens markedly towards the outside.  I have to assume 
this is due to oxidation but then, I'm just a soft rock geologist!

Greg

>RJ Lewis wrote:

>The term for the rock you guys are describing is "Scoria". Scoria is a
>basaltic, volcanic rock full of air holes. Unlike pumice, it doesn't
>float.  They use it on the highways cause it's tough wearing- but also
>tough on the tires of your car. :(   (and your shoes!!)  My hubby is a
>road construction vetran in his 34th season, and thought you guys 
might
>appreciate knowing that.

>Peace!
>SoulSista

Eric Lee wrote:
> Tortoise wrote:
>
> If I recall correctly from my visit to Craters of the Moon National
> Monument last summer, when the  basalt is first broken it is the 
rusty
> red color you see and then it eventually changes to the dark brown 
one
> usually sees.
>
>
>
> Hmmm.  I don't think that's right, actually.  Most basalt starts out
> dark-colored but may, depending on its iron content, weather to a red 
color.
> Cinders, with their high surface area, tend to weather faster and more
> thoroughly.  That area does have a lot of red cinders that are used 
for
> highway construction and the like.  Sometimes you can even see red 
paved

> roads.
>
> See this link, for example:
> http://skywalker.cochise.edu/wellerr/rocks/igrx/basaltQ.htm
>
> Disclaimer: I'm not a geologist.  :-)
>
> The trail through the lava fields was covered with red cinders 
probably
> because they're easy to dig out and relatively light to transport.
>
> Eric
>

Greg

Being alone gives you the freedom of choice, the freedom of thought, a 
moment to have bold ideas.
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   1. Re: Road to VVR (Josh)
   2. Re: Wolves in the Sierra? (Josh)
   3. Re: Oregon Sec B update (RJ Lewis)
   4. Re: Switchback  &  Reinhold (hiker97 at aol.com)
   5. Bacon Flavored Lip Balm (AsABat)
   6.20Re: Bacon Flavored Lip Balm (The Incredible Bulk)
   7. Wind going north from Tehachipi Pass (Jereen Anderson)
   8. Re: Bacon Flavored Lip Balm (Chuck Burmer)
   9. Re: Bacon Flavored Lip Balm (Carolyn Eddy)
  10. wind (Carolyn Eddy)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 04:16:14 -0700
From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Road to VVR
To: "'Ken Murray'" <kmurray at pol.net>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Yeah, the BMW will make it fine...but make sure she knows how long it 
will
take as quite a bit of the road is 1 lane and there are LOTS of sharp 
blind
turns and this REALLY slows down the trip...I can't remember how long 
the
drive is from Huntington Lake, but I do remember that it took a LONG 
time.

Josh

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On Behalf Of Ken Murray
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:43 PM
To: .
Subject: [pct-l] Road to VVR

I'll be thru-hiking the JMT (Southbound) this July.  My wife is
planning on driving to meet me for a resupply and zero-day at VVR.
My question to the list is, "what's the road like going in from Madera, 
CA?"
Can she drive her BMW 3-series, or is this a jeep road?  What was your
experience driving in to VVR?
Regards,
Tim
 A. (Placerville, CA)

The road is mostly paved.  There is about 4 miles of non-paved road, but
that is generally in good condition.  The main problem that people 
have, is
that in places, it is one lane, and you have to pay attention to 
opposite
traffic.

I've driven this road quite a few times in a VERY low clearance sports 
car
(Nissan 300ZX), with no problem.  One just needs to slow down on the 
rougher
segments, and it goes fine.  The BMW should do fine.

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 05:52:32 -0700
From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wolves in the Sierra?
To: "'Georgi Heitman'" <bobbnweav at gmail.com>,
    <christopher.kopp at gmail.com>,   <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Great & exciting story!  I just wish more of the dates U mentioned were 
more
recent. :(  But if there were a few around 12yrs ago, there should be a
significant population by now. YAY!

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To: christopher.kopp at gmail.com; pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Wolves in the Sierra?

I don't know...
Wolves in the southern Cascades?  I think yes...at least there were in 
1993
or 4, because FireWalker and I saw an article(very small, maybe two 
lines
total, down at the bottom of a page) in our weekly Inter Mt. News 
stating
that seven mated pair had be released on and/or around Badger 
Mt....think
Badger Flats at the northern edge of  Lassen Natl Pk. here, folks.
A year or two later a neighbor told us that he'd read that three more 
pair
had also been released in the same area.
Around that time, FireWalker and I saw a very large, dun-colored critter
grazing (or something) in the field next to the driveway coming into the
Hideaway (our home).
We stopped in the driveway, debated what it might be, it was too early 
in
the spring to be a returning deer, too big to be one of our local 
coyotes or
a neighbors dog but with it's head down, it was impossible to tell, so I
opened my car door and slammed it hard.  Its head flew up... it was the
biggest canine either of us had ever seen, please note, I didn't say 
'dog'.
It took off, didn't run like a coyote, with front legs that are/seem 
shorter
than it's hind ones...it ran more dog-like, but it wasn't any of our
neighbors dogs.
Later, during the summer, as I was coming home after dark on a bright
moon
-lit night, as I started to slow down  to enter our driveway, I 
glanced
in my rear-view mirror in time to see a very large canine, very light
colored in the  moon light, run across the road behind me.  I got
goose-bumps, and it takes a lot for that to happen to me,  but I think I
knew what I saw was out of the ordinary.
A neighbor saw a similar colored creature run in front of his pickup as 
he
drove home after dark a few nights later.
He said it was NO dog!!  That was prior to 1997, because I was coming 
home
 from work at the little store by the Old Station P.O. and 1997 was the 
last
year I worked there.

FireWalker and I got our hot tub in 1996 or so.  Almost immediately 
after
that, as we'd sit in it at night, F.W. began asking me if I could hear 
the
very low howl that something was making.  I'm hard of hearing and 
didn't get
hearing aids til '98, so at that point, I had to say 'no'.  But what I 
did
hear after he'd ask me that question was total silence.
Very unusual, because coyotes were usually singing and we had a neighbor
with many loud dogs that barked in tune with the coyotes.  Once I got my
hearing aids I could hear what F.W. was talking about, a very deep 
howl, off
toward the 1000 Lake Wilderness to our north.  From the moment that 
howl was
heard, every coyote and every dog shut up, crawled back into it's den, 
dog
house, whatev
er, and was not heard from again that night.  Since the 
dogs
were close enough that even w/o hearing aids, they could keep me awake 
at
night, I wished whatever critter was responsible for shutting them up 
would
make itself known more often than just once or twice a week.  We'd have
gotten a lot more sleep.  It was as if our local coyotes and dogs knew 
that
whatever made that sound was bigger than they were, and maybe deadly.
Unfortunately, we haven't heard that howl in years....tho in 2007, a 
hiker
well-known on the trail said that while hiking thru Lassen N.P. the 
hiker
looked up a side trail and saw a huge canine, black, if I recall and 
sort of
scruffy looking, but definitely huge and definitely not a dog!
There was no doubt in that hiker's mind...that critter was a wolf.
They stared at each other and went their separate ways.
 Wolves in the southern Cascades?  I think so!
FireFly
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 06:57:58 -0700
From: RJ Lewis <karmagurl at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Oregon Sec B update
To: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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The term for the rock you guys are describing is "Scoria". Scoria is a
basaltic, volcanic rock full of air holes. Unlike pumice, it doesn't
float.  They use it on the highways cause it's tough wearing- but also
tough on the tires of your car. :(   (and your shoes!!)  My hubby is a
road construction vetran in his 34th season, and thought you guys might
appreciate knowing that.

Peace!
SoulSista

Eric Lee wrote:
> Tortoise wrote:
>
> If I recall correctly from my visit to Craters of the Moon National
> Monument last summer, when the  basalt is first broken it is the 
rusty
> red color you see and then it eventually changes to the dark brown 
one
> usually sees.
>
>
>
> Hmmm.  I don't think that's right, actually.  Most basalt starts out
> dark-colored but may, depending on its iron content, weather to a red 
color.
> Cinders, with their high surface area, tend to weather faster and more
> thoroughly.  That area does have a lot of red cinders that are used 
for
> highway construction and the like.  Sometimes you can even see red 
paved
> roads.
>
> See this link, for example:
> http://skywalker.cochise.edu/wellerr/rocks/igrx/basaltQ.htm
>
> Disclaimer: I'm not a geologist.  :-)
>
> The trail through the lava fields was covered with red cinders 
probably
> because they're easy to dig out and relatively l
ight to transport.
>
> Eric
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:07:47 -0400
From: hiker97 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Switchback  &  Reinhold
To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Unsupported Snow Bunny Reinhold wrote: He, he, he, he,.....So you 
thought
Switchback & Reinhold were bad????? Look what you have now!!!? Things 
were calm
when Switchback & Reinhold ruled the list.?With the humor gone, 
everybody is
grouchy.??SWITCHBACK, we need humor on the list....give us your best 
stuff and
you better make it quick.?
---------------------------------------------------------
Switchback replies: To tell you the truth, I don't read the PCT-L very 
much any
more.? So, I have no idea what is going on.? I will post some 
interesting
backpacking stuff to the List, but I really do not know all the 
controversies,
etc., unless I get a CC email.? I guess my name has been brought up 
again on the
PCT-L for some=2
0type of problem or dispute.? So be it.? I don't really 
care.? I
into getting my gear ready for some hikes up in the mountains and that 
is my
focus.

Anyway, the BIG WALKER PASS FOOD RUCK is coming up next week on 
Thursday,
Friday, and Saturday.? I will be there with backpacker goodies along 
with Meadow
Ed and others.? Super fun.

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 07:52:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: "AsABat" <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.Net>
Subject: [pct-l] Bacon Flavored Lip Balm
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On sale today at Amazon, J&D's Bacon Flavored Lip Balm.

Now you can make yourself taste like bacon. Our Bacon Flavored Lip Balm 
is
a constant reminder of the awesome power of bacon.
Everything should taste like Bacon!

Probably not a good idea to use this in bear country, though.

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:01:22 -0700
From: The Incredible Bulk <ki6asp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bacon Flavored Lip Balm
To: AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I wonder what market segment they are targeting?

On Friday, May 29, 2009, AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
> On sale today at Amazon, J&D's Bacon Flav
ored Lip Balm.
>
> Now you can make yourself taste like bacon. Our Bacon Flavored Lip 
Balm is
> a constant reminder of the awesome power of bacon.
> Everything should taste like Bacon!
>
> Probably not a good idea to use this in bear country, though.
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jereen Anderson <jereenanderson at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Wind going north from Tehachipi Pass
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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The only big wind problem I remember from my 2008 ride was on the steep
switchbacks above Tehachipi Pass. Probably about 60 mph I had to 
dismount horse
and walk in a crouch as did some hikers ahead of me. You were moved 
around by
the gusts.
?
Ed Anderson/MendoRider

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:13:14 -0700
From: Chuck Burmer <chuckburmer at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bacon Flavored Lip Balm
To: The Incredible Bulk <ki6asp at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net>
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I know it has little20to do with hiking but I can always find less than 
six
degrees of seperation between bacon and anything ;o)  I read the other 
day
that there is now a bacon flavored vodka.....and sales are sizzling!
baduump bump.... Couldn't think of how I would drink that then it came 
to
me, mix it in V8 with a celery stalk and call it a BVLT

Your Mom

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:01 AM, The Incredible Bulk 
<ki6asp at gmail.com>wrote:

> I wonder what market segment they are targeting?
>
> On Friday, May 29, 2009, AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
> > On sale today at Amazon, J&D's Bacon Flavored Lip Balm.
> >
> > Now you can make yourself taste like bacon. Our Bacon Flavored Lip 
Balm
> is
> > a constant reminder of the awesome power of bacon.
> > Everything should taste like Bacon!
> >
> > Probably not a good idea to use this in bear country, though.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> --
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> The Incredible Bulk
> pctaddict.blogspot.com
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:23:36 -0700
From: "Carolyn Eddy" <ECPG at peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bacon Flavored Lip Bal
m
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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As a not-by-choice vegetarian I think this was made just for me.

"Sweet Goat Mama"
Carolyn Eddy
www.goattracksmagazine.com

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:25:33 -0700
From: "Carolyn Eddy" <ECPG at peoplepc.com>
Subject: [pct-l] wind
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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How did the horse feel about it?
I bet he was crouching too.
  I have ridden some horses that were less than thrilled about being out 
in
less wind than that.

"Sweet Goat Mama"
Carolyn Eddy
www.goattracksmagazine.com

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