[pct-l] Getting to Kennedy Meadows
Andrea Harrison
andylouharrison at hotmail.com
Sat May 23 15:16:24 CDT 2009
If you don't mind getting there a week earlier. There is a group that is doing Walker pass to Kennedy the June 14-21 leaving from San Diego area.
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> 1. Thank you... (jomike at cot.net)
> 2. Hikers Sing for Veterans (Gary Wright)
> 3. Re: Fragmenting the PCT information sources (Andrea Dinsmore)
> 4. Re: Fragmenting the PCT information sources (Sara Dyehouse)
> 5. Purpose of PCT-L (Tortoise)
> 6. How to get to Kennedy Meadows? (Dan Susman)
> 7. Re: Wolves in the Sierra? (Georgi Heitman)
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> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:37:30 -0700
> From: <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Thank you...
> To: "Jamie Carolyn McPherson" <DONSGRL at GMAIL.COM>
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> Thank you girlscout.
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> are we there yet
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> Rod Belshee wrote:
> > As you find better ones, please post the references here so we can
> > migrate the function of connecting new and experienced to a different forum
> > and let this one go wherever it is going.
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> http://www.adventureonthepct.com/
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> girlscout
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:44:02 -0400
> From: Gary Wright <gwtmp01 at mac.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hikers Sing for Veterans
> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I nice story about three current thru-hikers raising money for
> disabled veterans:
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> <http://www.towncrier.com/stories/story.1.20090521.html>
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> Their website is: www.trekfortroops.com
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> Gary Wright (Radar)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:00:16 -0700
> From: Andrea Dinsmore <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fragmenting the PCT information sources
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> About half the threads on this site I identify as stuff that doesn't
> interest me. When I read the title I delete it without reading the content.
> It only takes a couple of posts to see which way the thread is going. My
> delete button works really good. Maybe some of the other readers should try
> that. It's an open forum with a great variety of opinions. If you don't like
> what's written.....don't get into it. We are now into the time line where
> everyone (most of them) who is hiking this year are out on the trail. Get
> over it and move on....or go out and hike. Kudos to the webmaster for
> putting up with all of us. Most of us appreciate your patience.
>
> PCT MOM
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:21:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sara Dyehouse <saradyehouse at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fragmenting the PCT information sources
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> I, too, have been following the pct-l for many years (12 to be exact).? I have found a lot of useful information on here.? However, this year I decided to fight hard against the useless and offensive sexually-charged posts of Reinhold Metzger, because I wanted this list to be "family friendly."? In return, Brick chastised me and accused me of being a troll.
> ?
> Now that this year's hikers are on the trial, I'll be unsubscribing and following trail journals instead.? I seriously doubt I'll be back.
> ?
> So long everyone, and best wishes Class of 2009!
> ?
> Sara
>
> --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Ralph Alcorn <rbalcorn at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Ralph Alcorn <rbalcorn at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fragmenting the PCT information sources
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 3:20 PM
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>
> I started following the pct-l around 2003. Back then it was an important
> source of information for me. I was a complete novice about many aspects of
> the pct, and learned a lot just by following the posts. I'm not sure I could
> do that now. There is so much noise between posts with information that I
> could miss something important.? I look for other sources of online pct
> information, and find that the last couple of pct classes have setup yahoo
> groups to get information. On Facebook there is a PCT hiker group. Several
> websites such as Postholer's have forums with PCT topics. Some of the hikers
> with a lot of experience have moved on to these other forums.
>
> I think these other PCT forums have some use, particularly for social
> networking, but it is worth remembering that PCT-L is the forum pointed to
> by PCTA.org, the Pacific Crest Trail Association's site. That makes the
> pct-l the first source of information for many hikers new to the PCT. They
> need answers from people with experience.
>
> Why not try and stick to the facts. Get the fundamentals across to the new
> hikers - avoiding dehydration, foot care, training, how to build up to big
> miles, how to deal with snow fields, how to get to Canada, announcement of
> trail magic events. When considering posting a new topic, give it some
> thought before hitting send. Will this improve a hiker's chance of getting
> to Canada, or will it distract the hiker from what is really important?
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> If you've got an opinion on something that you think is important to pct
> hikers, but controversial, think it out, post your opinion and let it go.
> Forget the rebuttals, and rebutting the rebutts. Do that off the list. That
> way we shouldn't get more than about a dozen posts on a subject and it has
> had its turn. On to the next. The last post doesn't win. No cheating by
> editing the subject a little. If you've got more to say, say it on a social
> networking site.
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> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:35:55 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Purpose of PCT-L
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> What is the purpose of this list?
>
> I checked the website for the official purpose stated by Brick and/or
> Ryan and did not find a statement.
>
> At least for me this list is about the PCT -- thru hiking, "section"
> hiking whether that be a few miles or 2000, hiking gear as it relates
> (hopefully) to the PCT, maintaining and protecting the trail and trail
> corridor, and so on.
>
> Sure there is a lot of discussion in the off season about helping those
> planning to thru hike, but this has not been the sole topic.
>
> I've learned a lot about lite wate (light weight) backpacking. I met a
> good hiking buddy thru this list.
>
> So let's continue to discuss the PCT and just ignore the rest.
>
>
> Tortoise
>
> "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
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> --H. L. Mencken
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> <> He who finishes last, wins! <>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:50:33 -0700
> From: Dan Susman <dlsusman at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] How to get to Kennedy Meadows?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I'm trying to start a section hike in Kennedy Meadows before the start of
> the High Sierras...but I don't know how to get there easily as I don't have
> a car. I saw some transportation services but they seem expensive.
>
> Any suggestions? Is hitching possible? Anyone going to Kennedy from anywhere
> on West Coast on or around June 13th to 15th?
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:58:27 -0700
> From: Georgi Heitman <bobbnweav at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Wolves in the Sierra?
> To: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>, christopher.kopp at gmail.com,
> pct-l at backcountry.net
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> It would be lovely to hear that howl again, and I like to think that if I
> trekked into the 1000 Lakes Wilderness, I might. That dun-colored critter
> was definitely headed that direction, Badger Mt. being to the south of us,
> and assuming it was doing the howling that closed the dogs and coyotes
> down. But from mid June to October these days, or more specifically,
> nights, we have between two or three to as many as 30+ hiker-type folks
> sitting on our deck or around one of our fire circles, and the noise level
> doesn't make for hearing something as low and deep as that howl. Nor do the
> coyotes or dogs suddenly go quiet. In fact, as the various breeds of those
> neighbor's animals has changed, their yappy voices have only gotten higher
> pitched, a good wolf howl is just what's needed to enable our hikers,
> camping just across the creek from their pen, to get a good night's sleep.
>
> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Josh <559josh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Great & exciting story! I just wish more of the dates U mentioned were
> > more
> > recent. :( But if there were a few around 12yrs ago, there should be a
> > significant population by now. YAY!
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Georgi Heitman
> > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:07 PM
> > To: christopher.kopp at gmail.com; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Wolves in the Sierra?
> >
> > I don't know...
> > Wolves in the southern Cascades? I think yes...at least there were in 1993
> > or 4, because FireWalker and I saw an article(very small, maybe two lines
> > total, down at the bottom of a page) in our weekly Inter Mt. News stating
> > that seven mated pair had be released on and/or around Badger Mt....think
> > Badger Flats at the northern edge of Lassen Natl Pk. here, folks.
> > A year or two later a neighbor told us that he'd read that three more pair
> > had also been released in the same area.
> > Around that time, FireWalker and I saw a very large, dun-colored critter
> > grazing (or something) in the field next to the driveway coming into the
> > Hideaway (our home).
> > We stopped in the driveway, debated what it might be, it was too early in
> > the spring to be a returning deer, too big to be one of our local coyotes
> > or
> > a neighbors dog but with it's head down, it was impossible to tell, so I
> > opened my car door and slammed it hard. Its head flew up... it was the
> > biggest canine either of us had ever seen, please note, I didn't say 'dog'.
> > It took off, didn't run like a coyote, with front legs that are/seem
> > shorter
> > than it's hind ones...it ran more dog-like, but it wasn't any of our
> > neighbors dogs.
> > Later, during the summer, as I was coming home after dark on a bright
> > moon-lit night, as I started to slow down to enter our driveway, I glanced
> > in my rear-view mirror in time to see a very large canine, very light
> > colored in the moon light, run across the road behind me. I got
> > goose-bumps, and it takes a lot for that to happen to me, but I think I
> > knew what I saw was out of the ordinary.
> > A neighbor saw a similar colored creature run in front of his pickup as he
> > drove home after dark a few nights later.
> > He said it was NO dog!! That was prior to 1997, because I was coming home
> > from work at the little store by the Old Station P.O. and 1997 was the last
> > year I worked there.
> >
> > FireWalker and I got our hot tub in 1996 or so. Almost immediately after
> > that, as we'd sit in it at night, F.W. began asking me if I could hear the
> > very low howl that something was making. I'm hard of hearing and didn't
> > get
> > hearing aids til '98, so at that point, I had to say 'no'. But what I did
> > hear after he'd ask me that question was total silence.
> > Very unusual, because coyotes were usually singing and we had a neighbor
> > with many loud dogs that barked in tune with the coyotes. Once I got my
> > hearing aids I could hear what F.W. was talking about, a very deep howl,
> > off
> > toward the 1000 Lake Wilderness to our north. From the moment that howl
> > was
> > heard, every coyote and every dog shut up, crawled back into it's den, dog
> > house, whatever, and was not heard from again that night. Since the dogs
> > were close enough that even w/o hearing aids, they could keep me awake at
> > night, I wished whatever critter was responsible for shutting them up would
> > make itself known more often than just once or twice a week. We'd have
> > gotten a lot more sleep. It was as if our local coyotes and dogs knew that
> > whatever made that sound was bigger than they were, and maybe deadly.
> > Unfortunately, we haven't heard that howl in years....tho in 2007, a hiker
> > well-known on the trail said that while hiking thru Lassen N.P. the hiker
> > looked up a side trail and saw a huge canine, black, if I recall and sort
> > of
> > scruffy looking, but definitely huge and definitely not a dog!
> > There was no doubt in that hiker's mind...that critter was a wolf.
> > They stared at each other and went their separate ways.
> > Wolves in the southern Cascades? I think so!
> > FireFly
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