[at-l] Advice, please on tents for my scouts

[Richard Calkins]

Lurker:

You are soooooooo right about the new culture of the Boy Scouts.  You would not BELIEVE the bureaucratic BS I've had to go through to offer my "outdoor merit badge program" -- camping, hiking, backpacking and wilderness survival:  Permission slips, tour permits, medical forms, youth protection training, two deep leadership (3 if we go more than ten feet from our church sponsor's building), vehicle and driver information, travel packets for each driver, etc. etc. etc.  And none of that has anything to do with the four merit badges.  I really don't know how I put up with it all, but I think it has something to do with my vision of getting about 18 kids into the backcountry where they can appreciate all that nature has to offer, and do it safely and with growing confidence in their own abilities.  I can only hope that, somehow, my efforts will make a difference in their lives somewhere down the road.

thanks for your comments!

cheers,
Longhaul
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lurker<mailto:lurker1 at sbcglobal.net> 
  To: Gadog430<mailto:gadog430 at charter.net> 
  Cc: Richard Calkins<mailto:racalkins at msn.com> ; at-l at backcountry.net<mailto:at-l at backcountry.net> 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [at-l] Advice, please on tents for my scouts


  Right, I also understand that.  As I said, my response was mostly tongue
  in cheek.  However, it is also true that making the boys do anything
  they don't want to do is now considered to be harassment.  As an
  example, the boys are no longer allowed to require that one of their own
  sing a song to get their lost and found back.  Harassment.  Some good
  and some bad at the same time.

  As Forrest Gump said, I've said enough about that.

  Lurker



  On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 20:31 -0500, Gadog430 wrote:
  > Maybe...but Long Haul knew I was pulling his leg.
  > You get that...from Trail Days. lol
  > 
  > LONG HAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  > Dawg
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Lurker" <lurker1 at sbcglobal.net<mailto:lurker1 at sbcglobal.net>>
  > To: "Gadog430" <gadog430 at charter.net<mailto:gadog430 at charter.net>>
  > Cc: "Richard Calkins" <racalkins at msn.com<mailto:racalkins at msn.com>>; <at-l at backcountry.net<mailto:at-l at backcountry.net>>
  > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:36 PM
  > Subject: Re: [at-l] Advice, please on tents for my scouts
  > 
  > 
  > > That is contrary to the BSA program.
  > >
  > > Lurker
  > >
  > > On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 06:34 -0500, Gadog430 wrote:
  > > > Make 'em sleep under the stars. Make men of them. Put hair on their
  > chest.
  > > >
  > > > ::waves at LongHaul::  Hi LongHaul.
  > > > Dawg
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: "Richard Calkins" <racalkins at msn.com<mailto:racalkins at msn.com>>
  > > > To: <at-l at backcountry.net<mailto:at-l at backcountry.net>>
  > > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:35 PM
  > > > Subject: [at-l] Advice, please on tents for my scouts
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > > Friends and neighbors:
  > > > >
  > > > >     I am working hard to get my Boy Scout Troop and Venture Crew into
  > > > backpacking and need your help with a proposal regarding which tent to
  > > > purchase for our outings.  We will be purchasing at least six tents
  > > > initially, all the same exact model.
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >     Criteria (not up for discussion, unfortunately):  two person
  > tents,
  > > > two doors, free-standing, under five pounds, and (preferably) under
  > $150.
  > > > (My $300 Big Agnes super-light 2 was rejected as too expensive,
  > especially
  > > > given how hard kids ages 12-17 can be on tents!)
  > > > >
  > > > >     So as not to generate too much traffic, please feel free to email
  > me
  > > > directly with your thoughts and recommendations  I will be most
  > grateful!
  > > > >
  > > > > cheers,
  > > > > Longhaul
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